June 26, 2025 Planning Commission - City of Rancho Mirage

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[00:00:10] Good afternoon and welcome. I'd like to
[00:00:13] call the meeting to order. This is the
[00:00:14] regular planning commission meeting,
[00:00:16] June 26, 2025.
[00:00:19] Could we please have the flag salute and
[00:00:21] I'd like to call in Commissioner Gray to
[00:00:23] lead us in the salute.
[00:00:29] Please turn and face the flag. I pledge
[00:00:32] algiance to the flag of the United
[00:00:35] States of America and to the republic
[00:00:37] for it stands one nation under God
[00:00:41] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[00:00:43] all. Thank you.
[00:00:47] And now we're going to have the oath of
[00:00:49] office. And I'd like the city clerk to
[00:00:50] conduct the oath of office for our new
[00:00:53] commissioner.
[00:00:55] Thank you. So, if I can just get you to
[00:00:57] stand, raise your right hand, and then I
[00:01:00] will read the passage. At the end, you
[00:01:01] can say I do or I will. Do you solemnly
[00:01:04] swear or affirm that you will support
[00:01:06] and defend the Constitution of the
[00:01:08] United States and the Constitution of
[00:01:10] the State of California against all
[00:01:13] enemies, foreign and domestic, that you
[00:01:15] will bear true faith and allegiance to
[00:01:17] the Constitution of the United States
[00:01:19] and the Constitution of the State of
[00:01:21] California, and that you take this
[00:01:22] obligation freely without any mental
[00:01:25] reservation or purpose of evasion, and
[00:01:27] that you will well and faithfully
[00:01:29] discharge the duties upon which you are
[00:01:30] about to enter. I do. Thank you. Thank
[00:01:32] you. And I'll get your signature on this
[00:01:34] after the meeting.
[00:01:36] Thank you. And welcome, Commissioner
[00:01:38] Beal. And if you wouldn't mind just
[00:01:40] giving us a very brief introduction of
[00:01:42] yourself.
[00:01:44] Hi, my name is Austin Beiel. I uh have a
[00:01:47] development background. I um originally
[00:01:49] from the Gulf Coast of Texas and have
[00:01:51] resided in California for the better
[00:01:53] part of about a decade now. um
[00:01:57] typically working on anything from
[00:02:00] sports projects to mixeduse developments
[00:02:02] and I've been a resident here in Ranch
[00:02:04] Mirage for about two and a half years
[00:02:06] now. Great. Thank you. And again,
[00:02:08] welcome. And will the city clerk now uh
[00:02:11] give us a roll call?
[00:02:15] Certainly.
[00:02:17] Commissioner Agustini, Commissioner
[00:02:20] Beiel,
[00:02:23] Commissioner Gray, present, Vice Chair
[00:02:26] Bryant, present, and Chair Chanter,
[00:02:29] present.
[00:02:30] And we do need a motion to excuse
[00:02:32] Commissioner Augustini. I'll make a
[00:02:35] motion to excuse Commissioner Agustini.
[00:02:37] Thank you. And a second.
[00:02:40] I'll second.
[00:02:50] Motion carries 4 Z. Thank you.
[00:02:55] And we have approval of the minutes
[00:02:56] next. Do we have a motion to approve?
[00:02:59] This is the June 12th, 2025 meeting.
[00:03:07] I'll make a motion to approve the
[00:03:08] minutes of our last meeting. And a
[00:03:11] second.
[00:03:13] I'll second.
[00:03:19] Did we vote? Is that one second? Oh.
[00:03:32] Motion carries three zero with um
[00:03:36] Commissioner Beiel abstain. Great. And
[00:03:39] now we're moving into public hearing.
[00:03:41] And I would like to have Par uh pres
[00:03:44] present the staff report. Oh, excuse me.
[00:03:47] Commissioner uh staff report. Excuse me.
[00:03:50] Commissioner questions uh or comments,
[00:03:53] please. We'll start with Commissioner
[00:03:55] Gray.
[00:03:58] Um so I'm like to first initially um
[00:04:03] welcome our newest commissioner, Mr.
[00:04:04] Beiel. Welcome to our happy little
[00:04:08] group. Look forward to getting to know
[00:04:09] you and participating on behalf of the
[00:04:12] city of Rancho Mirage in making good
[00:04:14] decisions on the planning commission.
[00:04:16] Welcome and I hope you like reading long
[00:04:21] tracks of documents. It's a pleasure to
[00:04:23] be here. Thank you.
[00:04:25] Uh
[00:04:26] I want to comment also generally I am uh
[00:04:30] I was thrilled to see this agenda item
[00:04:34] as the city of Rancho Mirage moves
[00:04:36] forward in um fulfilling its commitment
[00:04:41] to the city of Rancho Mirage, the state
[00:04:44] of California and all of our residents
[00:04:47] and providing muchneeded affordable
[00:04:50] housing. in the various campaigns, our
[00:04:53] city council members and in various
[00:04:55] applications for council seats, myself
[00:04:57] included, we all uh many of us emphasize
[00:05:01] as the number one requirement for the
[00:05:02] city of uh or priority for the city of
[00:05:05] Ranch Mirage
[00:05:07] um developing and providing affordable
[00:05:09] housing which is so needed for the
[00:05:11] people that live here and for those who
[00:05:12] provide vital services. Um, as I look
[00:05:16] over this this particular planning
[00:05:20] commission item and assuming the
[00:05:22] commission joins in my ultimate vote, as
[00:05:25] I'm sure it will be to approve this, uh,
[00:05:27] and then as it is later approved by the
[00:05:30] city council, if all that comes to pass,
[00:05:33] which I think it will, we will we have
[00:05:36] made gigantic strides in just the last
[00:05:38] couple of years to fulfilling fulfilling
[00:05:41] again what I believe is actually our
[00:05:42] duty, but also requirement imposed upon
[00:05:45] us by the state. Um I think it's very
[00:05:48] very important. It's amazing how much
[00:05:50] effort the staff has put it through put
[00:05:52] in uh then the planning commission and
[00:05:54] the city council in order to achieve
[00:05:56] this. We we have moved heaven and earth
[00:06:00] uh to comply with lots of somewhat
[00:06:02] conflicting requirements and also get
[00:06:05] things done in a funding period uh that
[00:06:08] was available to us. So, I am just
[00:06:11] excited and gratified that we've made
[00:06:12] this kind of progress. I hope we
[00:06:14] continue and continue to make Rancho
[00:06:17] Mirage a better place to live.
[00:06:20] Thanks. Well said. Uh, Commissioner
[00:06:23] Beiel, would you like to have an
[00:06:25] opportunity to speak?
[00:06:31] No, I'm actually okay. I have no further
[00:06:33] comments. That's fine. Commissioner
[00:06:36] Bryant.
[00:06:40] Many times all of us up here have uh
[00:06:43] recognized and commented how important
[00:06:45] the planning staff is to us. Uh it's
[00:06:48] highly complex. Uh thank goodness now we
[00:06:51] don't have the binders with 2,000 pages.
[00:06:53] We're doing it on a computer now. Uh but
[00:06:55] still that doesn't mean their work is
[00:06:57] any less. Um, and so again, all of the
[00:07:00] commissioners over the years, many
[00:07:02] times, uh, we comment on our staff, but
[00:07:06] there's two other people, and there's
[00:07:08] many people in this city that do a great
[00:07:10] job. There's two other people I'd like
[00:07:12] to do a shout out, and one is Deanna
[00:07:15] Mendoza, who is our the uh,
[00:07:17] administrative assistant for the
[00:07:19] planning department. Um, Deanna is in u
[00:07:23] handles all the logistics, the meetings,
[00:07:26] staff support. He keeps she keeps all of
[00:07:29] the staff honest uh because you never
[00:07:32] know about them, you know, that group.
[00:07:34] And so Deanna keeps them uh well lassoed
[00:07:38] up. And an important thing is she does
[00:07:42] everything. She's always so helpful,
[00:07:45] smiling, and when you uh when you're
[00:07:49] interacting with her, not only she doing
[00:07:51] her job, but she makes you feel like she
[00:07:54] likes doing her job. And that's very
[00:07:56] important. And the other person is uh
[00:07:58] our city clerk Christy Ramos who um uh
[00:08:03] and clerk is a misnomer. I don't know
[00:08:05] where that comes from. I looked up and
[00:08:08] apparently for like a hundred years
[00:08:09] cities have been using that term and
[00:08:11] it's just stuck. Uh but uh Christie is
[00:08:14] certainly an integral part of the city
[00:08:16] government.
[00:08:18] uh the council members, the planning uh
[00:08:22] all the meetings and for the council
[00:08:24] members and the planning commissioners
[00:08:25] as public officials. uh we're subject to
[00:08:30] many uh laws, Brown Act and so on of the
[00:08:33] state of California uh certifications
[00:08:36] and continuing education and Christie
[00:08:39] makes sure that all of us individually
[00:08:43] uh we're uh we're making sure that we're
[00:08:47] meeting those things and the timely and
[00:08:49] so on. Um, and another thing, again,
[00:08:52] this is like our third or fourth meeting
[00:08:53] on the computer, Chrissy. I know you
[00:08:56] were a uh a key part of the team to make
[00:09:00] this happen. And uh it was it took a lot
[00:09:03] of doing to switch over from the kind of
[00:09:05] the manual and so on to this. And so,
[00:09:08] thank you for your I think about 10
[00:09:10] years of service to the city and maybe I
[00:09:13] think as I remember you've been the city
[00:09:15] clerk for eight years maybe. Yeah. Okay.
[00:09:19] So, thanks a lot. That's it. Okay. Thank
[00:09:22] you. Thank you, Vice Chair. Uh, I can't
[00:09:26] add to what's already been said. I think
[00:09:28] we're all very excited that we're adding
[00:09:30] to our um affordable housing and it's
[00:09:33] very important and this city has
[00:09:34] definitely stepped forward in that
[00:09:36] effort. So, I'm proud of Rancho Mirage
[00:09:39] and the city council and certainly the
[00:09:41] staff for all the efforts that go into
[00:09:43] this because it is a it isn't easy to
[00:09:46] work on these projects as we know.
[00:09:48] Um, and I apologize for jumping forward
[00:09:50] earlier. I was so excited that this is
[00:09:52] on the agenda that I jumped right to
[00:09:54] public hearings. So, at this point,
[00:09:56] we're going to move into 4A
[00:09:58] environmental uh assessment case number
[00:10:01] EA25-00002.
[00:10:04] And at this time, I'd like to have Pilar
[00:10:06] give our staff report. Thank you, Chair
[00:10:09] Chanter, and good afternoon members of
[00:10:11] the planning commission. For today's
[00:10:13] consideration, we have the Ranch of
[00:10:15] Mirage affordable apartments, a proposed
[00:10:17] 150 unit family housing development.
[00:10:21] Before we present the proposed project,
[00:10:23] I'd like to provide a brief overview of
[00:10:25] how this affordable housing site was
[00:10:27] identified. The city's housing element,
[00:10:30] a part of the general plan, is updated
[00:10:32] every eight years as required by the
[00:10:34] state. It outlines goals, policies, and
[00:10:37] programs to address local housing needs,
[00:10:39] including affordable housing.
[00:10:42] As part of this process, the state
[00:10:43] assigns each jurisdiction a regional
[00:10:46] housing needs allocation or RENA, which
[00:10:49] quantifies the number of housing units
[00:10:50] that must be planned for during each
[00:10:52] cycle. In March 2021, the Southern
[00:10:55] California Association of Governments
[00:10:57] adopted the six cycle reena covering the
[00:11:00] 2021 to 2029 planning period. Rancho
[00:11:04] Mirage was assigned a total of 1,746
[00:11:07] units with 1,76 required to be
[00:11:11] affordable units. To accommodate this,
[00:11:14] the city's six cycle housing element was
[00:11:16] adopted in March 2022 with minor
[00:11:18] amendments in July 2022 and I it
[00:11:22] identified nine inventory sites labeled
[00:11:24] A through I. The proposed project site
[00:11:28] is within inventory site B, previously
[00:11:30] referred to as parcel A2.
[00:11:33] The housing element was certified by the
[00:11:35] California Department of Housing and
[00:11:37] Community Development in August 2022.
[00:11:42] To implement the housing element, the
[00:11:44] city council adopted an affordable
[00:11:46] housing overlay on inventory sites B and
[00:11:48] D along with related zoning and policy
[00:11:51] changes. In August 2023, the housing
[00:11:54] authority issued a request for
[00:11:55] qualifications seeking proposals to
[00:11:58] develop at least 200 affordable units on
[00:12:00] site B, a site which was identified for
[00:12:03] its high resource designation by the
[00:12:05] state, which makes it competitive for
[00:12:07] key funding programs.
[00:12:09] However, in late October 2023, staff
[00:12:12] learned that the designation would be
[00:12:14] downgraded to moderate resource
[00:12:17] to preserve project eligibility and
[00:12:19] secure site control. The housing
[00:12:20] authority board approved three
[00:12:22] disposition and development agreements,
[00:12:24] the DDDAs, in December 2023.
[00:12:28] National CPS and US Properties Fund were
[00:12:30] selected to develop the 5acre project
[00:12:32] site. The project presented today is a
[00:12:35] direct result of that process.
[00:12:39] This slide provides an overview of the
[00:12:40] city's progress in implementing its
[00:12:42] affordable housing allocation under the
[00:12:45] six cycle arena. The city of Rancho
[00:12:48] Mirage is required to plan for 1,076
[00:12:51] affordable units by 2029.
[00:12:54] As of June 2025, a total of 593 units,
[00:12:58] which amounts to approximately 55% of
[00:13:01] that requirement, have been entitled or
[00:13:03] currently in progress through four key
[00:13:05] projects. These include Katana, Rosette
[00:13:08] Apartments, Crossing at Peterson Road,
[00:13:11] and the proposed project.
[00:13:13] An additional 250 units are planned
[00:13:16] through a remaining disposition
[00:13:17] development agreement with Blue
[00:13:19] Companies.
[00:13:20] Combined, these efforts bring the city's
[00:13:22] planned affordable housing total to 844
[00:13:26] units or 78% of the Reena of the Reena
[00:13:29] goal.
[00:13:31] The proposed project contributes 150
[00:13:33] units, which account for 14% of the
[00:13:36] overall REA requirement.
[00:13:40] The site was originally part of a larger
[00:13:42] 52 acre property that included the ranch
[00:13:45] of Mirage dog park and had split zoning
[00:13:47] for open space private park and
[00:13:49] highdensity residential. To support
[00:13:52] affordable housing development, the city
[00:13:54] council approved land use changes. These
[00:13:57] changes move the highdensity residential
[00:13:59] designation to the eastern side of the
[00:14:01] site and consolidated the open space
[00:14:04] private park designation on the western
[00:14:06] side.
[00:14:07] The project site is located immediately
[00:14:09] south of the approved Rosette Apartments
[00:14:11] off of Via Vale.
[00:14:15] Now to move on to the proposed project.
[00:14:18] This rendering shows the eastern
[00:14:20] elevation of the development looking
[00:14:22] west across the future extension of the
[00:14:24] Avail. The design reflects a desert
[00:14:26] modern architectural style featuring
[00:14:29] clean lines, flat roofs, and a mix of
[00:14:31] desert tones that complement the
[00:14:32] surrounding landscape.
[00:14:34] The buildings are designed as a
[00:14:36] three-story walkups with recessed
[00:14:37] balconies and articulated facades that
[00:14:39] break up the massing and provide visual
[00:14:41] interest.
[00:14:43] Thoughtful landscape design incorporates
[00:14:45] native and drought tolerant species that
[00:14:47] are enhanced with boulder groupings,
[00:14:49] creating an environment, an inviting
[00:14:52] pedestrian realm that blends the natural
[00:14:54] desert character.
[00:14:58] On screen, we have the proposed site
[00:15:00] plan. The project includes two vehicle
[00:15:02] access points to the northeast and south
[00:15:04] on the northeast and southeast corners
[00:15:07] shown in red that connect to the future
[00:15:09] extension of via veale. The site is
[00:15:11] organized around two large courtyards.
[00:15:14] The eastern courtyard features a pool, a
[00:15:16] game court, and a one-story pool house,
[00:15:19] while the western courtyard includes a
[00:15:21] butterfly garden and shaded seating.
[00:15:24] There are seven walkup residential
[00:15:25] buildings, each two to three stories
[00:15:27] tall with a mix of one, two, and
[00:15:30] threebedroom units. All 52 groundf
[00:15:33] flooror units meet ADA accessibility
[00:15:35] standards.
[00:15:37] In green is the community building,
[00:15:39] which includes the leasing office,
[00:15:41] community room, laundry, bike storage,
[00:15:43] restrooms, and support spaces, all
[00:15:46] arranged around a shaded plaza.
[00:15:50] Parking is spread throughout the site
[00:15:51] with 219 total spaces, including 10 ADA
[00:15:55] spaces.
[00:15:57] 114 are covered by solar carports, and
[00:16:00] 78 are proposed to be uncovered.
[00:16:03] All parking areas comply with ADA and EV
[00:16:06] readiness requirements.
[00:16:08] Sidewalks and internal paths connect all
[00:16:10] building and all buildings and
[00:16:12] amenities, including a pedestrian gate
[00:16:14] to the west that will link to the future
[00:16:16] public park.
[00:16:19] The project provides full perimeter fire
[00:16:21] access with 24 foot wide drive aisles,
[00:16:24] including two turnaround areas that meet
[00:16:26] fire department requirements.
[00:16:28] All buildings are within the required
[00:16:31] 150 ft hose reach.
[00:16:35] This slide shows the two access points.
[00:16:37] The northern entrance will feature a
[00:16:39] sliding vehicle gate and a adjacent
[00:16:41] pedestrian gate, while the southern exit
[00:16:44] will use a telescopic gate and provide a
[00:16:46] secondary pedestrian access point.
[00:16:51] This slide shows the six proposed unit
[00:16:53] types which include one, two, and
[00:16:56] threebedroom layouts. The units are
[00:16:58] designed with open concept living and
[00:17:00] dining areas, full kitchens, and private
[00:17:03] patios or balconies. Each unit type is
[00:17:06] repeated across multiple buildings to
[00:17:08] provide a balanced distribution of
[00:17:09] housing sizes throughout the site.
[00:17:14] This slide shows the building elevations
[00:17:16] for building one, a three-story walk up
[00:17:18] design in desert modern style. The
[00:17:21] building features a mix of materials
[00:17:23] including smooth and sand finished
[00:17:24] stucco, stack stone veneer, and dark
[00:17:27] metal accents. Recessed balconies,
[00:17:30] vertical towers, and varied textures
[00:17:32] help break up the massing and add visual
[00:17:34] interest. Parapit walls provide clean
[00:17:37] roof lines and screen any future rooftop
[00:17:39] equipment.
[00:17:42] This is a typical floor plan. Each floor
[00:17:44] includes a mix of one, two, and
[00:17:46] threebedroom layouts with bike storage
[00:17:48] and electrical rooms located on the
[00:17:50] ground floor. All first floor units are
[00:17:53] ADA compatible and designed to meet
[00:17:55] mobility accessible requirements.
[00:17:58] However, no elevators are proposed for
[00:18:00] this or any other residential building.
[00:18:02] No rooftop mechanical equipment is
[00:18:04] currently proposed, but the parapit
[00:18:07] walls have been designed to fully screen
[00:18:08] any future rooftop additions.
[00:18:13] This slide shows the elevations for
[00:18:15] buildings two and five, which are
[00:18:16] identical in layout and share a cohesive
[00:18:18] design approach consistent with the rest
[00:18:20] of the development. Both buildings
[00:18:23] follow a desert modern style. The color
[00:18:26] palette includes warm browns,
[00:18:27] off-whites, and muted greens that blend
[00:18:29] with into the desert contacts.
[00:18:33] Vertical stone towers and recessed
[00:18:34] balconies add further visual interest
[00:18:36] and help break up the building mass,
[00:18:39] while parapits and overhangs provide
[00:18:40] additional solar protection. The maximum
[00:18:43] building height is approximately 39 ft 4
[00:18:46] in.
[00:18:49] This slide presents the elevations for
[00:18:51] building six, a three-story residential
[00:18:53] building consistent with the desert
[00:18:55] modern style and incorporates the same
[00:18:57] design vocabulary as the rest of the
[00:18:59] project. The maximum height is
[00:19:01] approximately 36 ft to the top of the
[00:19:03] parapit.
[00:19:07] Building 7 serves as the community
[00:19:09] building and is the most architecturally
[00:19:11] distinctive structure in the project.
[00:19:13] The exterior features a blend of
[00:19:15] materials and vertical stone elements
[00:19:17] that add visual rhythm. Neutral colors
[00:19:20] like muted greens, off-whites, and
[00:19:22] browns contribute to a cohesive palette.
[00:19:25] The building reaches a maximum height of
[00:19:27] 39 ft with lower roof lines that help
[00:19:30] transition to the adjacent pool and
[00:19:32] courtyard areas.
[00:19:36] This slide illustrates a conceptual
[00:19:38] landscape plan which is designed to
[00:19:40] create a connected a connected network
[00:19:42] of open spaces that foster community
[00:19:44] interaction and enhance walkability. The
[00:19:47] primary entry drive at the northeast
[00:19:49] corner is lined with palm trees and
[00:19:51] native landscaping leading to a loop
[00:19:53] circulation drive with clear clearly
[00:19:55] marked pedestrian crossings and clusters
[00:19:57] of trees for shade and visual interest.
[00:20:00] Near the community building, a shaded
[00:20:02] plaza features seating and native trees,
[00:20:04] offering an inviting gathering spot.
[00:20:08] The central courtyard located between
[00:20:10] buildings two and five serves as the
[00:20:12] primary recreation zone with a large
[00:20:14] pool, shaded lounge areas, and colorful
[00:20:16] plantings, including tall palms and
[00:20:18] flowering trees.
[00:20:21] South of the pool is a game court framed
[00:20:23] by raised planters and bench seating. On
[00:20:26] the west side of the on the west side on
[00:20:29] the west side between buildings three
[00:20:31] and four is a more passive courtyard
[00:20:33] with a butterfly garden and a barbecue
[00:20:35] area as well as winding paths to connect
[00:20:38] shaded seating areas.
[00:20:40] The planting pallet prioritizes low
[00:20:42] water use species such as palo verde,
[00:20:44] mosquite, ironwood, fairy duster and
[00:20:47] Texas ranger which complement the desert
[00:20:49] environment.
[00:20:52] The project was evaluated under
[00:20:54] environmental under the California
[00:20:56] environmental quality act and a
[00:20:58] mitigated negative declaration an M andD
[00:21:00] was determined to be the appropriate
[00:21:02] level in environmental review. The M &D
[00:21:04] analyzed potential impacts across
[00:21:07] various environmental categories with
[00:21:09] with the incorporation of mitigated
[00:21:11] measure mitigation measures related to
[00:21:13] biological resources, cultural and
[00:21:15] tribal cultural resources and the
[00:21:17] project's environmental impacts. the
[00:21:20] project's environmental impacts were
[00:21:21] found to be less than significant.
[00:21:26] The proposed project was reviewed by the
[00:21:28] architectural by the architectural
[00:21:30] review working group on May 27, 2025
[00:21:33] where comments were were provided
[00:21:35] regarding pedestrian circulation and
[00:21:38] materials as well as shading strategies.
[00:21:41] In response, conditions of approval 25
[00:21:44] through 29 have been added to address
[00:21:46] these concerns during the final
[00:21:48] development plan review and prior to
[00:21:50] building permit issuance.
[00:21:54] Public hearing notices were distributed
[00:21:56] on June 18, 2025.
[00:21:58] To date, we received one public comment
[00:22:00] which has been made available to the
[00:22:02] planning commission prior to the
[00:22:03] meeting. Staff recommends that the
[00:22:06] planning commission make the action as
[00:22:08] shown on the screen.
[00:22:11] This concludes staff's presentation.
[00:22:12] Staff is available to answer any
[00:22:14] questions. And now I would like to
[00:22:16] invite the applicant up to the podium to
[00:22:17] introduce themselves. Thank you for your
[00:22:19] consideration.
[00:22:23] Okay. Good afternoon, chair and
[00:22:26] commissioners. Uh my name is Taylor. I'm
[00:22:28] here with National CPS um with the
[00:22:30] design and ownership team here today. Um
[00:22:33] and we're delighted to be here for this
[00:22:35] item. Um it's a pleasure to join you.
[00:22:38] Polard did such a wonderful job talking
[00:22:40] about the project. What I really want to
[00:22:42] focus on is um introducing ourselves um
[00:22:44] as a as a team uh talking about our
[00:22:47] strategy to support the long-term
[00:22:49] success of this community and then also
[00:22:52] express our deep appreciation to the
[00:22:53] city and for making um this opportunity
[00:22:56] possible.
[00:22:57] Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you did that
[00:22:59] already. Okay, next slide.
[00:23:04] Okay. Uh the community reflects a strong
[00:23:07] um spirit of partnership and
[00:23:09] collaboration. National Community
[00:23:11] Renaissance or national core and USA
[00:23:13] properties um have fund have um which
[00:23:18] are two recognized leaders in quality
[00:23:20] affordable housing in our own rights
[00:23:22] have teamed up to bring this community
[00:23:24] to life and to stay with the community
[00:23:26] throughout the uh lifetime of the
[00:23:28] project. Um we've also brought together
[00:23:30] an experienced mission aligned design
[00:23:33] and development team um including RRM
[00:23:36] design group uh the architect and the
[00:23:39] landscape architect Atlas civil design
[00:23:41] the community civil engineer Terteranova
[00:23:44] planning and research our civil um
[00:23:46] consultant. Uh the team has worked very
[00:23:49] closely with city staff and the
[00:23:51] architectural review working group to
[00:23:53] design a community that's not just
[00:23:55] functional and beautiful but also fits
[00:23:57] within the neighborhood and serves Ranch
[00:24:00] Mirage families well. Representatives
[00:24:02] from each of um each of these partners
[00:24:04] are here with me today to provide any
[00:24:07] deeper background and answer your
[00:24:09] questions as needed.
[00:24:12] Um so we provided a little bit of
[00:24:14] background on our two organizations.
[00:24:15] I'll toggle back and forth. Um the we
[00:24:18] are the main co-developers, co-partners
[00:24:20] with the city on this effort. Uh
[00:24:22] National Core is the nonprofit housing.
[00:24:25] We are a leader in nonprofit housing um
[00:24:28] throughout the nation um with over 30
[00:24:30] years of development experience um based
[00:24:33] primarily in Southern California. Um we
[00:24:36] know what it's like to um provide
[00:24:38] quality services and serviceriched
[00:24:41] housing in in this region. Um we have a
[00:24:43] portfolio in the low desert Coachella
[00:24:45] Valley community. um and other desert
[00:24:47] communities as well. And so excited to
[00:24:49] continue our um relationship here. Uh
[00:24:52] USA Properties is our is our partner as
[00:24:55] I mentioned. Um we're very similar in
[00:24:57] that we are full service organization.
[00:24:59] So we both specialize in the um early
[00:25:02] stages all the way through property
[00:25:03] management and compliance. Um but using
[00:25:07] our our strengths um in this property to
[00:25:10] uh to benefit residents. Um so USA
[00:25:12] properties will serve as the general
[00:25:14] contractor. um and um general partner
[00:25:18] and then national core will be the the
[00:25:19] property manager.
[00:25:22] Okay. So, as both developers and
[00:25:24] long-term owners and managers, we know
[00:25:26] that a successful community doesn't
[00:25:28] start with um construction, doesn't end
[00:25:30] with construction. It depends on
[00:25:32] thoughtful, consistent, and long-term
[00:25:34] operations. And so, I just want to take
[00:25:36] a couple minutes to talk about our
[00:25:37] management approach.
[00:25:40] Um so National Core will serve as a
[00:25:43] long-term property manager. We are a
[00:25:45] trusted nonprofit u property management
[00:25:48] organization um that is a trusted
[00:25:50] partner of or of um cities and
[00:25:52] communities throughout Southern
[00:25:53] California and beyond. Um including as
[00:25:56] of very recently the Rancho Mirage
[00:25:58] Housing Authority. So, we were recently
[00:26:00] selected to be the city's um partner in
[00:26:03] managing your residential portfolio and
[00:26:05] are in the process of that onboarding um
[00:26:08] and are just really excited to serve
[00:26:10] French Mirage residents on your um
[00:26:11] housing authority properties.
[00:26:14] So, a few key aspects I want to um spend
[00:26:17] a little bit of time on um to our
[00:26:19] property management approach. One is our
[00:26:21] smokefree policy. All of our our
[00:26:23] properties are are smoke-free
[00:26:26] and um residents agree to that when they
[00:26:28] sign in when they um when they sign
[00:26:30] their lease. We have a um professional
[00:26:32] on-site property management team
[00:26:34] including the live-in property manager
[00:26:36] which is becomes the eyes and ears of
[00:26:38] the community um because they're there,
[00:26:40] you know, 24/7 for residents. Um and
[00:26:43] then an incredibly important part of our
[00:26:45] approach is our leasing process. Um that
[00:26:47] includes um tenant screening and
[00:26:49] background checks. um unit occupancy
[00:26:52] standards that um residents must agree
[00:26:54] to um and our approach to parking
[00:26:57] management. And we know parking is
[00:27:00] incredibly important to a successful
[00:27:02] community, especially since we're the
[00:27:04] ones that have to manage it. Um and we
[00:27:06] want this to be um an community that is
[00:27:10] um desired. And so with that, um, we
[00:27:13] took, um, a lot of time to design our
[00:27:16] parking facilities, um, to not only
[00:27:20] exceed minimum standards for affordable
[00:27:22] housing, um, but also just it's they're
[00:27:24] sized to reflect the the demand that we
[00:27:26] anticipate based on our, um, our parking
[00:27:30] utilization studies in the desert, in
[00:27:32] suburban communities. um which show
[00:27:34] about one unit per one parking spot per
[00:27:38] unit on average across our suburban um
[00:27:41] far family projects. Um and so at a at a
[00:27:44] parking standard of one and a half per
[00:27:46] unit um we feel that this um it will
[00:27:49] should exceed the demand. Um but we have
[00:27:52] a couple things in place to make sure
[00:27:53] that that's the case. So when a resident
[00:27:56] is um signing their lease and they want
[00:27:57] to want a car, there's an addendum that
[00:27:59] is added to their lease. So their
[00:28:01] adherence to the parking management is
[00:28:03] part of their will of their ability to
[00:28:06] live here. And so as part of the permit
[00:28:08] process, they have to provide their
[00:28:10] license, registration, um proof that
[00:28:13] it's operable and um this is um strictly
[00:28:17] enforced. Uh we are not afraid to tow
[00:28:20] vehicles that are not um supposed to be
[00:28:22] there um because um we need to take care
[00:28:24] of our residents and the and the people
[00:28:26] who are you know um who are following
[00:28:28] the rules. So the each res each unit is
[00:28:32] assigned a parking spot and then the
[00:28:34] remaining are in there's an extra pool
[00:28:37] and then it's a lottery system for um
[00:28:39] additional parking spots. Um so we're
[00:28:42] happy to talk about parking later um but
[00:28:44] just wanted to take an extra time to
[00:28:45] talk about our strategy there um to make
[00:28:48] sure that parking is managed, you're not
[00:28:50] seeing overflow onto via other
[00:28:52] communities um and that this doesn't
[00:28:54] become a nuisance to other residents.
[00:28:57] Um so our property management approach
[00:29:00] really is grounded in performance and
[00:29:02] accountability. Um we manage from an
[00:29:04] owner's perspective through robust
[00:29:06] budget oversight, monthly financial
[00:29:08] reviews and strategic performance
[00:29:10] tracking. Um we ensure that these
[00:29:12] projects um remain community assets um
[00:29:14] in perpetuity.
[00:29:18] And finally um National Core sister
[00:29:21] nonprofit um organization the Hope
[00:29:23] Through Housing Foundation is on site.
[00:29:26] they're on all of our communities to
[00:29:27] coordinate with local organizations um
[00:29:29] supportive services um on our community
[00:29:32] here. Um we envision extending our
[00:29:34] partnership with Desert Recreation
[00:29:36] District. We serve residents at our
[00:29:38] properties in Lita and Indio where we
[00:29:41] have afterchool homework programming and
[00:29:43] summer summer programs that where Desert
[00:29:45] Wreck comes into our communities and
[00:29:47] provides those services free of charge
[00:29:48] to residents. And so we have um already
[00:29:51] been negotiating with the Desert Wreck.
[00:29:53] it is a newer terri it is a new um
[00:29:55] region for them and they are very
[00:29:57] excited about the opportunity to expand
[00:29:59] their services um through this
[00:30:01] partnership. Um so that's something you
[00:30:03] can expect too as we get closer. Um and
[00:30:06] all of the services again are on site in
[00:30:08] the community room and they're designed
[00:30:09] to promote the financial well-being,
[00:30:11] economic mobility um and health and
[00:30:14] wellness of our residents really to help
[00:30:16] move them towards self-sufficiency.
[00:30:19] So, finally, um this we're here because
[00:30:21] of the city's vision. Um you have had
[00:30:24] the foresight to reserve these this
[00:30:26] property as affordable housing and
[00:30:28] you've taken the extraordinary step of
[00:30:30] shaping, you know, the conditions to
[00:30:32] make sure that it's actually financable
[00:30:34] and that it actually is a project that
[00:30:35] will that we can bring to life. And so,
[00:30:38] uh we're truly so grateful for your
[00:30:39] leadership, uh in this area. And, um
[00:30:42] again, we're just grateful for the
[00:30:43] opportunity. We're here to answer any
[00:30:45] questions. Um, and PR, I don't know if
[00:30:47] you want me to jump into questions right
[00:30:49] now or if we should wait and we'll we'll
[00:30:52] ask you back once once the commissioners
[00:30:53] have have given us our their questions.
[00:30:55] Great. Thanks.
[00:30:59] All right. Thank you. And we will be
[00:31:01] asking you some questions. Sure. Okay.
[00:31:03] Um, at this time, would the city clerk
[00:31:05] please open for public comment? Of
[00:31:07] course. So, I got one speaker card from
[00:31:10] Brad Anderson.
[00:31:18] Good afternoon, Brad Anderson, City
[00:31:20] Ransom Rage. Um, I did submit some
[00:31:23] written comments uh mainly on the uh
[00:31:26] process of uh uh the public hearing
[00:31:29] aspect of how the city conducts that uh
[00:31:32] and uh and the willingness not to do it
[00:31:35] correctly. Uh so mainly I'm in
[00:31:38] opposition to this uh project and I have
[00:31:40] been from the beginning mainly because
[00:31:43] of the cost to the city residents
[00:31:45] overall. I understand the city wants to
[00:31:47] comply with SKG's regulations I guess
[00:31:50] and uh and um and I'm not really a fan.
[00:31:57] So, but anyway, I I think uh
[00:32:02] this session 30 and and IID and the
[00:32:05] substation and the a lotments and the
[00:32:08] special meetings just to get this moving
[00:32:12] and the fees not being collected by the
[00:32:14] city. So, they're going to make this
[00:32:16] happen. and it's going to happen but u
[00:32:18] I'm concerned of how it's happening and
[00:32:21] and the cost to every residents in the
[00:32:23] city and there will never never receive
[00:32:26] any kind of a benefit from that I
[00:32:28] believe uh and I'm grateful for the
[00:32:32] presentation for the nonprofit uh on on
[00:32:36] the u requirements that they are going
[00:32:39] to abide by or have the residents of the
[00:32:42] new community abide by. But, uh, all in
[00:32:46] all, I think it's going to be a
[00:32:47] detriment to the city, uh, just like
[00:32:50] Palm Desert. It's a it's a I understand
[00:32:53] the area. Well, there's several areas,
[00:32:54] but the area we're talking about today,
[00:32:57] um, anyway, I'm just in opposition to
[00:33:00] this and and mainly because of the cost
[00:33:02] of the residents. And that's all I have.
[00:33:04] Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
[00:33:06] Is there anyone else in the audience who
[00:33:08] would like to provide public testimony
[00:33:09] on this public hearing item?
[00:33:12] No additional speakers. All right,
[00:33:14] great. Uh, now I'd like to ask each of
[00:33:16] the commissioners to u make comments or
[00:33:19] ask questions. And I'll start with
[00:33:20] Commissioner Agra.
[00:33:24] I guess I'm always first now.
[00:33:27] Um, this is really directed towards
[00:33:31] um our planning department. One of the
[00:33:34] things I noticed in what seems to be an
[00:33:36] extremely wellthoughtout and planned
[00:33:38] project, and I also believe this
[00:33:41] probably comes in part due to other
[00:33:44] state mandates. Um, and I also want to I
[00:33:48] I also want to preface this by saying
[00:33:49] this that I drive an electric car and
[00:33:51] I'm in favor of charging stations, but
[00:33:54] there seem to be a really high number of
[00:33:56] charging stations that might be
[00:33:58] disproportionate to the actual use of
[00:34:01] electric vehicles uh in the population,
[00:34:05] particularly given the uh recent change
[00:34:08] in attitudes starting at the federal
[00:34:10] government about supporting electric
[00:34:13] cars. and in fact they're um an attempt
[00:34:16] to ban California's movement towards all
[00:34:19] electric vehicles. So having said that,
[00:34:22] why so many charging stations? This is a
[00:34:25] a requirement. So the applicant is um
[00:34:29] they have 23 EV charging stations and
[00:34:31] then there's 88 spaces that are EV
[00:34:34] ready. This is a requirement through a
[00:34:36] municipal code and also California
[00:34:37] building code. So they'd have to adhere
[00:34:39] to that. we um re reviewed the the
[00:34:44] project against those two codes
[00:34:47] just seems like an sort of a little bit
[00:34:49] of an excessive expense again even
[00:34:51] though I am in favor of electric
[00:34:52] vehicles.
[00:34:54] Um
[00:34:56] is it so high because they want to make
[00:34:58] electric vehicles more accessible to
[00:35:00] renters as well as to owners who can
[00:35:02] have their own charging stations? Is
[00:35:04] that the There's no relief for
[00:35:06] affordable housing development in this
[00:35:08] regard. So they had to follow what is
[00:35:10] standard development standards through
[00:35:12] throughout for any multifamily um
[00:35:15] complex or anything.
[00:35:18] Thank you. Um
[00:35:20] a somewhat related question for the
[00:35:22] residents of this project and the
[00:35:24] adjacent projects and I think we talked
[00:35:26] about this a little bit before. Um what
[00:35:30] public transportation
[00:35:32] uh options are available? I guess
[00:35:34] specifically it would be buses because
[00:35:35] there's not really anything else around
[00:35:37] here. Um what currently exists and is
[00:35:40] there any plan to enhance the
[00:35:42] availability of things like bus
[00:35:44] transportation? So this project as well
[00:35:47] as the um project to the north, the
[00:35:50] Rosette Apartments, we sent comment
[00:35:52] letters to Sunline asking them if they
[00:35:54] they would like to add an additional bus
[00:35:56] stop. Sunline does does not want to add
[00:35:59] an additional bus stop regarding these
[00:36:02] these projects. The nearest bus stop is
[00:36:04] off of Dinosaur about 1.3 miles from the
[00:36:09] project site itself. But eventually we
[00:36:12] we we might revisit the conversation
[00:36:14] with Sunline once the third project
[00:36:16] comes into play. Um but as of now
[00:36:20] Sunline has has not recommended an
[00:36:21] additional bus stop. Uh if I may,
[00:36:24] Commissioner to try and mitigate that
[00:36:26] just a little bit. Hello. Uh to try and
[00:36:28] mitigate that just a little bit, there
[00:36:29] is a cut through through the shopping
[00:36:31] center to provide easier access to the
[00:36:33] existing bus stop that exists off a
[00:36:35] dinosaur, but it's still a mile away. Uh
[00:36:37] less it's about.3
[00:36:40] 3. Yes.
[00:36:42] Um and then my last question and again I
[00:36:45] just want to say I come to this as
[00:36:47] essentially a non-smoker. Is there any
[00:36:49] provision and this might be to the
[00:36:51] applicant for a smoking area or anything
[00:36:55] anywhere within the project or is
[00:36:57] everything within the boundaries of the
[00:36:59] affordable housing non-smoking which
[00:37:01] means people have to go out onto the
[00:37:03] streets to do that? Ta Taylor if I can
[00:37:05] ask you to come up to to the podium and
[00:37:07] now that that the questions are being
[00:37:08] asked.
[00:37:12] Yeah, in certain circumstances in um
[00:37:15] communities we have provided a smoking
[00:37:17] area. Um, right now we do not have one
[00:37:19] planned here. So, it would be strictly
[00:37:21] enforced propertywide. Okay. Just seems
[00:37:24] to me that in order to avoid sort of
[00:37:27] violations and there's still a
[00:37:29] substantial amount of people that smoke
[00:37:32] unfortunately. Yeah. But it uh it seems
[00:37:34] like making some provision like that at
[00:37:36] least having an area would be a smart
[00:37:39] move. Yeah, we can absolutely do that.
[00:37:41] provide a spot on site away from the
[00:37:44] away from the buildings and other
[00:37:46] amenities. Well, other other than those
[00:37:49] comments, I'll defer to Murray for
[00:37:50] landscaping observations and other
[00:37:53] comments, but seems like an incredibly
[00:37:55] welldesigned well planned project.
[00:37:58] Extremely grateful to have the
[00:38:00] presentation about the work of the
[00:38:02] nonprofits in facilitating this and I'm
[00:38:05] really happy to have you all here as our
[00:38:07] guests. Thank you so much.
[00:38:10] Thank you, Commissioner Beal.
[00:38:15] My question is uh geared towards the
[00:38:17] planning department. Do we this might be
[00:38:20] premature. Do we have a sense of uh what
[00:38:24] building code we will fall under when if
[00:38:27] we if and when we were to move into
[00:38:29] construction?
[00:38:32] It would depend on when the project is
[00:38:33] being submitted for permitting. Yes.
[00:38:35] More specifically, the follow-up
[00:38:37] question is uh in terms of um pieces of
[00:38:40] equipment and devices, do we have any
[00:38:42] sense of is this fully electric devices
[00:38:45] or are these uh plumbed with gas lines?
[00:38:51] I'll I'll defer that to the
[00:38:53] architectural team um if they have some
[00:38:55] insight on that. We we we haven't
[00:38:57] received construction plans. That's
[00:38:58] something that gets prepared in the
[00:38:59] final development plan, but perhaps our
[00:39:02] architectural team can shine further
[00:39:03] light on it.
[00:39:06] Just as a little bit of background, I
[00:39:07] think that some developers have started
[00:39:08] looking into what may be needed in the
[00:39:10] new codes, uh, but we haven't started
[00:39:13] the update process quite yet. Good
[00:39:16] afternoon. I'm Amanda Staller, uh, with
[00:39:18] RM Design Group and yes, this project
[00:39:20] will be all electric.
[00:39:24] Thank you. Okay, Vice Chair Bryant.
[00:39:34] Polar U. Thank you for the early
[00:39:36] introduction of the background of
[00:39:39] affordable housing in the city. Um our
[00:39:42] mandate from the state and uh what the
[00:39:44] city has done in terms of setting aside
[00:39:47] the total lands where we are and the
[00:39:49] percentage the thousand or so of the
[00:39:52] four lower tiers and we're uh somewhere
[00:39:55] 7 800 underway. Uh and it's an
[00:39:58] eight-year housing cycle. So, uh, we're
[00:40:00] we're way ahead. Uh, many cities in the
[00:40:04] California,
[00:40:06] uh, are so far behind, it's not even
[00:40:07] funny. And, uh, some of them it's
[00:40:10] probably going to be impossible. How do
[00:40:11] you build affordable housing in Newport
[00:40:13] Beach or Beverly Hills? Um, when a a lot
[00:40:17] costs a building lot cost two or three
[00:40:19] million dollars for a building lot. So,
[00:40:22] uh, it's u it's a very difficult
[00:40:25] situation. The city has made herculean
[00:40:29] efforts to enable affordable housing. Uh
[00:40:32] yes, the tradeoff is cost. Um because
[00:40:36] there is no such thing as affordable
[00:40:38] housing. when the uh anywhere in
[00:40:42] California and and certainly along the
[00:40:44] coastlines of the country, but the last
[00:40:47] month's desert housing report, I think
[00:40:50] showed the uh median median price of a
[00:40:53] house valleywide was detached was maybe
[00:40:57] 500 and some thousand or attached and
[00:41:00] 700,000. Rancho Mirage is probably
[00:41:02] pushing $900,000.
[00:41:05] And so, of course, there is no such
[00:41:07] thing as affordable housing. And so it's
[00:41:10] a monumental effort on behard behalf of
[00:41:13] the city and developers uh to try to
[00:41:16] make housing available which is
[00:41:18] important uh it's important from a
[00:41:21] social standpoint. It's also important
[00:41:24] for a business standpoint because our
[00:41:26] businesses here are constantly
[00:41:29] uh you know they they need people to
[00:41:31] work. Think about the hotels uh uh a u
[00:41:35] you know the housekeeping staff uh for
[00:41:38] what they make uh they have to drive a
[00:41:40] long ways. So, uh it it's important all
[00:41:43] the way around, but of course there is a
[00:41:45] trade-off in terms of uh costs to the
[00:41:48] the city uh because there are massive
[00:41:51] subsidies not only from the city
[00:41:54] standpoint. Um uh but they have to get
[00:41:58] funding from the state and that sort of
[00:42:00] thing. Sort of a big picture thing. Uh
[00:42:03] you mentioned what our mandate is the uh
[00:42:07] the cities in the valley here. I think
[00:42:09] it's 31,000. Ben, is that the right
[00:42:11] number? 31,000 and change of all the for
[00:42:14] the for the reena numbers. Yes. Around
[00:42:16] there. Yeah. Um so when you take 31,000
[00:42:20] units in the valley and just take per
[00:42:22] $100,000 of subsidy just per 100,000
[00:42:26] you're talking about $3.1 billion. And
[00:42:30] so I don't know what it's cost to
[00:42:32] subsidi you know 300,000 400,000. So
[00:42:36] we're talking 10 12 13 billion dollars
[00:42:39] to make all the mandates for this city's
[00:42:43] uh in the valley come about. So uh a
[00:42:46] very difficult uh thing to do. Um
[00:42:54] so I think um and if it's appropriate
[00:42:58] time I do have questions u for the
[00:43:01] developer uh if you want to come up or
[00:43:06] uh yeah so I do have a few questions
[00:43:14] uh first um while I do have a lot of
[00:43:17] questions and Uh uh once again, prior to
[00:43:21] all of our sessions hearings, the staff
[00:43:25] makes time available to speak with each
[00:43:27] of the commissioners individually. And I
[00:43:30] did have with Mina Polar and Ben the
[00:43:32] other day. Uh I actually had about two
[00:43:34] dozen questions after reading through
[00:43:36] this about four times uh to get through
[00:43:40] to really understand the nuances of it.
[00:43:43] Uh and so thank you again staff for you
[00:43:46] know helping me out and putting up with
[00:43:48] me. Um
[00:43:51] uh so
[00:43:54] uh these are not all in a row and you
[00:43:57] did answer some in your presentation. So
[00:43:59] thank you. Some of your question some of
[00:44:00] the things you said I actually had
[00:44:01] questions on uh like the services that
[00:44:04] are provided to the people the parking
[00:44:06] and so on. Um, so
[00:44:11] if I if I ask a question that's
[00:44:13] proprietary, please you don't have to
[00:44:15] answer. And so I'm going to try not to
[00:44:17] I'm trying to answer general questions,
[00:44:19] but I understand some things are
[00:44:20] proprietary and so don't uh don't answer
[00:44:24] that and you won't hurt my feelings. I
[00:44:26] appreciate that. Uh
[00:44:29] what what does it cost to build a unit
[00:44:32] excluding the land
[00:44:34] in this project or some other? Um sorry
[00:44:37] excluding the land um well the building
[00:44:40] cost can start
[00:44:42] um at 250 a door. That's but I would say
[00:44:46] for this one we're we're anticipating a
[00:44:48] total development cost which would
[00:44:49] include the land at about 450,000 a
[00:44:52] door. Okay. Um, and uh what would the uh
[00:44:58] for a one-bedroom, two-bedroom,
[00:45:00] threebedroom, what would be typical
[00:45:02] rental rates uh for the residents? Yeah,
[00:45:06] I can bring up Nora who can who can
[00:45:08] bring that up. Um but it really will
[00:45:10] depend on um the final AMI breakdown.
[00:45:13] Yeah. So, all of them will and the
[00:45:15] building and the bedroom size. Um I
[00:45:18] don't know if uh so uh it'll they'll
[00:45:21] range from I don't do we have the sorry.
[00:45:25] So great then she can pull it up. Uh she
[00:45:27] actually has the uh the rents up in
[00:45:29] front of her. If it's just general I'm
[00:45:32] not trying to be uh not at all minute
[00:45:36] just kind of general. Okay it is a great
[00:45:38] question and um good afternoon. My name
[00:45:39] is Alexa Washburn. I'm chief development
[00:45:41] officer with national core and so based
[00:45:44] on our preliminary uh proforma and it's
[00:45:47] based on the household income which
[00:45:49] typically at our family properties right
[00:45:51] we have anywhere from one individual to
[00:45:54] two individuals or four individuals uh
[00:45:57] and so these apartment home um community
[00:46:00] is based on 80% of the area median
[00:46:03] income and below right so these are
[00:46:06] families for a typical family of four
[00:46:09] that would mean a maximum income of
[00:46:12] about 89,000 per year. And then we also
[00:46:15] serve at the lower end families a family
[00:46:18] of four that could be earning 30% of the
[00:46:20] area median income which would be about
[00:46:22] 33,000. Now what that results in in
[00:46:25] terms of rent is you typically we don't
[00:46:28] want our residents to pay more than 30%
[00:46:30] of their income on rent. So for um the
[00:46:33] rent we're looking at for a onebedroom
[00:46:37] uh at extremely low income. So, these
[00:46:38] are folks that earn 30% of the area
[00:46:40] median income, their rent would be about
[00:46:43] 550,000.
[00:46:45] On the higher end, for a one-bedroom,
[00:46:47] for those that are making 70% of the
[00:46:49] area median income, uh their rent would
[00:46:51] be about uh 1,380.
[00:46:55] For a two-bedroom unit on the lower uh
[00:46:58] income end, we're looking at
[00:47:01] approximately 650.
[00:47:04] On the higher end for a two-bedroom, uh
[00:47:07] about 1650.
[00:47:09] Uh on the low end for a threebedroom
[00:47:12] about 750 per month. And on the higher
[00:47:16] end for a threebedroom approximately
[00:47:19] 1,900 per month. And um if these were
[00:47:23] market rates, and you don't have to go
[00:47:25] through one, two, three, and everything
[00:47:26] else. just would the market rates be two
[00:47:29] times the rate subsidized rate.
[00:47:33] I'm a Coachella Valley resident. Um and
[00:47:36] so I can say there's not a lot of
[00:47:38] rentals. Anything under 2,000 right now
[00:47:40] and that's for probably a onebedroom for
[00:47:42] market rate. Um but for threebedroom,
[00:47:45] you know, we're in the 3000s uh pretty
[00:47:48] pretty easily. So um significantly
[00:47:51] reduced. And and again, um, excuse me
[00:47:55] for the I'm not trying to bore people
[00:47:57] with the detail, but it it does
[00:47:59] highlight the difficulty a developer has
[00:48:03] bringing on affordable housing as well
[00:48:06] as a city. Yeah. Um, and so again, uh,
[00:48:10] there's it's always a cost issue and so
[00:48:13] on. Uh, but one of the fears I have is
[00:48:15] that if the cities don't meet their
[00:48:17] mandates in time, is the state going to
[00:48:19] step in and say, "You have to do it? Mh.
[00:48:22] And so is it better to do it now than
[00:48:26] eight years from now have the city have
[00:48:28] the state mandate you got to do it and
[00:48:31] we got have to tax the residents to do
[00:48:33] it and so anyway so that's the reason
[00:48:35] kind of my question. Um the management
[00:48:38] um and thank you thank you for that
[00:48:41] information. Um, I think you get a good
[00:48:44] idea of the I had a lot of questions
[00:48:46] about the screening of the tenants, what
[00:48:48] your lease agreement says, uh, how you
[00:48:50] control the occupancy. uh are these
[00:48:54] families. Uh so you don't have four
[00:48:56] unrelated people in a unit and how you
[00:49:00] control that both through the lease and
[00:49:03] if they violate it, your ability to
[00:49:07] rectify it, so to speak, because that
[00:49:10] would turn the area into a not very
[00:49:12] pleasant environment. And and part of
[00:49:15] the goal is not only to provide
[00:49:20] housing at a cost they can make, but to
[00:49:24] provide a quality environment because
[00:49:28] ultimately the goal is to have the
[00:49:30] people grow move, you know, get better,
[00:49:32] grow, get better in their circumstances
[00:49:35] kind of up and out. Yeah. And then get
[00:49:37] into the mainstream of housing, although
[00:49:39] it is expensive. So, you know, that's
[00:49:42] that I think that's part of the goal.
[00:49:44] Um, I I think you did you really
[00:49:46] answered the question how you you
[00:49:48] monitor that and you control that. And
[00:49:50] again, if you've been doing this for a
[00:49:52] long time, you know that there are
[00:49:54] people will try to cheat and so you have
[00:49:56] to be you have to hold your ground on
[00:49:58] that sort of thing. Uh on the parking,
[00:50:02] um I know you gave a uh what you think
[00:50:04] is the number of spaces per unit. I just
[00:50:08] did a quick if you said that there was a
[00:50:11] car for each one and each two and
[00:50:14] threebedroom there were two cars. I know
[00:50:16] that's higher than what you said. That's
[00:50:18] about 254 spaces and you have 219.
[00:50:23] Uh, and so I believe do you issue
[00:50:26] parking pit permits? Yes, we do. So
[00:50:29] there is um one spot assigned to each
[00:50:32] unit um and and a um a re resident can
[00:50:37] claim that by signing a parking addendum
[00:50:40] to their lease and that makes it um
[00:50:42] extremely enforceable. So, um, as
[00:50:46] they're signing, um, they're, you know,
[00:50:49] providing the license, registration,
[00:50:51] um, proof of operation, um, and again,
[00:50:55] there'll be one per unit and then an
[00:50:57] option to enter a lottery for an
[00:50:59] additional spot for the remaining um,
[00:51:02] spots. So, there will be an opportunity
[00:51:03] to get more than one. Okay? So, if
[00:51:04] someone's in a three-bedroom and they
[00:51:06] need two cars, um, they've assigned one
[00:51:10] uh, but they enter in a lottery. So that
[00:51:12] you have your 219 spaces, I think it is,
[00:51:16] right? You're only going to issue 219
[00:51:18] permits. Exactly. Yes. Um exactly. Um
[00:51:24] Yes. Sorry. Okay. Yep. Um and as part of
[00:51:27] the u the off-site improvements, uh do
[00:51:30] you have to to improve via veil along
[00:51:33] your Yes. So we will take via a veil um
[00:51:36] from the Pacific West property line all
[00:51:39] the way down our complete frontage. um
[00:51:41] to the southern tip. And how wide minor
[00:51:45] that may How wide would that road be?
[00:51:46] Minor it's 36 feet wide so it can
[00:51:48] accommodate two lanes of traffic as well
[00:51:51] as parking on either side. Okay. And
[00:51:53] parking. Okay. Uh because obviously if
[00:51:55] you don't control the parking, you know,
[00:51:57] the the avails Exactly. We don't want
[00:51:58] that to happen. And that won't look too
[00:52:01] good. Uh so um you know, if you run out,
[00:52:05] maybe you could rent some spaces from
[00:52:06] the movie theater. Exactly. I know. They
[00:52:09] never fill. Absolutely. They never fill
[00:52:11] up. So, Yep. to keep the cars off of via
[00:52:13] a veil. Uh All right. Um in the uh and
[00:52:18] again, I'm kind of jumping around a
[00:52:20] little bit.
[00:52:21] In the uh plans, I looked at the plans
[00:52:23] and it looked like there's a in each
[00:52:25] unit there's a wall mount or split unit,
[00:52:28] air conditioner split unit. Yep. But it
[00:52:31] looked like there was only one. And if
[00:52:33] you have one in the living room, it's
[00:52:35] certainly not going to cool the
[00:52:36] bedrooms. Mhm. So, how do you plan on
[00:52:39] air conditioning the entire unit? Right.
[00:52:41] No, I'm glad um that you brought that up
[00:52:43] because it came up in the architectural
[00:52:45] review as well. Um so, uh we ran this by
[00:52:49] our director of sustainability and he
[00:52:50] oversees our portfolio including our
[00:52:52] desert portfolio and what we do is we
[00:52:55] just size the split system to um be
[00:52:58] about 15% over demand um for a given
[00:53:01] unit. And so we will just appropriately
[00:53:03] size a um system, but there aren't any
[00:53:05] reservations as far as from our director
[00:53:08] of sust sustainability's perspective um
[00:53:11] that it'll be enough um because we also
[00:53:14] have a really robust and well-insulated
[00:53:17] building envelope. We we took a lot of
[00:53:18] attention to reduce um you know energy
[00:53:22] loss.
[00:53:25] Mina, are there building codes to or to
[00:53:28] require that? Um, I have split units in
[00:53:32] some of my garages that are like one
[00:53:35] built one thing. I mean, not my house,
[00:53:37] but u, but the others have regular
[00:53:40] outside and so on. Uh, but if you have
[00:53:43] two rooms, no matter how much you push
[00:53:45] out in room, is it really going to go?
[00:53:49] And again, I'm not an expert. I don't
[00:53:50] think it's going to go to from what I've
[00:53:52] seen and you know my experience it's not
[00:53:54] going to go to the bedroom and the
[00:53:55] bathroom. Yeah. So one thing I will
[00:53:56] mention is that these are our this is
[00:53:58] our standard approach. So we have a b
[00:54:00] basis of design and so we're doing this
[00:54:02] all over southern California including
[00:54:04] desert and low desert communities. So
[00:54:07] and it has not been has not been an
[00:54:09] issue for us. And and are there code m
[00:54:12] are there codes that they have to show
[00:54:14] that you know somebody goes in and tests
[00:54:16] and make sure that it's actually
[00:54:18] working. They don't freeze out the live
[00:54:19] people in the living room and the people
[00:54:21] in the bedroom don't get cooling. Yeah.
[00:54:24] The project once it goes through is
[00:54:26] ready for plan check and is going
[00:54:27] through plan check will have to meet all
[00:54:28] California building co codes including
[00:54:30] title 24. Okay. All right. Um
[00:54:36] and David, I know you would be very
[00:54:39] disappointed at me if I didn't bring up
[00:54:42] uh
[00:54:45] Okay. There's one more clarification
[00:54:47] that we need to add. Okay. Thank you,
[00:54:49] Amanda. Again, um yeah, we do have those
[00:54:51] condenser units and we do have vent vent
[00:54:53] systems that will go into each of the
[00:54:55] rooms. So, those will be um air
[00:54:57] conditioned. We also have operable
[00:54:59] windows for ventilation as well as along
[00:55:00] with along with um solar shading on
[00:55:03] those. So, um window shrouds and uh
[00:55:06] window awnings. Okay. Okay. All right.
[00:55:08] That answers that. Um thank you.
[00:55:12] So, David, I know you're waiting for
[00:55:14] this. Uh I noticed on your landscape
[00:55:16] plan you have a lot of cactus and thorny
[00:55:19] plants within three feet of a pedestrian
[00:55:21] area. Uh that's you can't do that in the
[00:55:23] city of Rancho Mirage. So we'll take a
[00:55:26] second look and yeah those all have to
[00:55:28] be moved out and and and David I know
[00:55:30] you were just dying for me to say that.
[00:55:32] Right.
[00:55:34] You have made my week. Okay. All right.
[00:55:37] Okay. Okay. So no prickly kids running
[00:55:39] around. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So Mary's
[00:55:42] a little bit worried about older adults,
[00:55:44] but he cares about the kids as well.
[00:55:46] Yeah. On their skateboards that they're
[00:55:48] not supposed to do in the interior area,
[00:55:50] but they're going to do it anyway
[00:55:52] because kids are kids. Um
[00:55:56] um
[00:55:59] how do you guarantee that the you have
[00:56:02] the four categories of low income?
[00:56:05] Presumably there'll be a mix of the
[00:56:07] different levels of income people. Yeah.
[00:56:09] How do you monitor or guarantee that uh
[00:56:14] when they start out one when they start
[00:56:16] out how do you prove their income to be
[00:56:19] sure that they're in that level and then
[00:56:21] a year or two years later if their
[00:56:23] income has risen do they not qualify for
[00:56:27] that unit anymore? Yeah, great question.
[00:56:30] Um so residents will qualify when
[00:56:32] they're applying um in order to get
[00:56:34] either on in the waiting list or you
[00:56:37] know to be an applicant they'll have to
[00:56:39] provide proof of income um for every
[00:56:41] person that is living there. And so our
[00:56:43] property management um team goes through
[00:56:46] and um make sure that they they don't
[00:56:48] exceed the income standards for each
[00:56:50] unit and that they can reasonably be
[00:56:53] expected to pay so that they don't earn
[00:56:55] too little either. Um, so that happens
[00:56:58] at movein and then there's an annual
[00:57:00] reertification process that happens
[00:57:02] where a lot of these um requirements are
[00:57:05] being checked again. Um, if an in if a
[00:57:08] you know we don't um kick out a resident
[00:57:11] if they come in over income um they're
[00:57:14] allowed to stay in the unit um even if
[00:57:16] it does exceed the limit. Um however
[00:57:19] when um that unit becomes available or
[00:57:22] another unit becomes available it needs
[00:57:23] to go back to that original standard.
[00:57:25] So, it's meant to not discourage growth,
[00:57:28] you know, and economic mobility by
[00:57:30] having a hard stop. Um, and to give some
[00:57:32] people some cushion
[00:57:34] and if their income does go up, uh, you
[00:57:37] know, I'm not saying you throw them out.
[00:57:39] We're not asking that. But do you raise
[00:57:41] their rent? Uh, we can you can speak to
[00:57:45] that a little bit more.
[00:57:50] So, I did want to clarify that this is
[00:57:52] driven by the financing that's used for
[00:57:55] affordable housing. So, our low-inccome
[00:57:57] housing tax credits, our tax exempt
[00:57:59] bonds, any type of public sources, they
[00:58:02] they regulate that if you become
[00:58:05] overinccome during your residency at our
[00:58:08] apartment homes that we can't just, you
[00:58:10] know, kick you out. That they still have
[00:58:12] the right to stay there. And as Taylor
[00:58:14] said, that's primarily to uh ensure
[00:58:17] housing stability, but we also provide
[00:58:20] the range, the income range at our
[00:58:23] apartment homes because say a family
[00:58:25] moves in and at that time at movein,
[00:58:27] they're 40% of the area median income,
[00:58:30] but over the a couple of years that
[00:58:32] they've lived there, their income has
[00:58:34] increased to 60% of the area median
[00:58:37] income. Well, we still have units within
[00:58:39] our apartment home, right, that
[00:58:41] accommodates up to 80% of the area
[00:58:44] median income. Um, I also wanted to note
[00:58:46] that in the very few cases where we have
[00:58:49] residents that start to earn 100%
[00:58:53] of the area median income or more and
[00:58:56] they continue to stay within our
[00:58:58] apartment home communities. This is
[00:58:59] where our hope through housing
[00:59:00] foundation is critical and what we do is
[00:59:04] we identify those households and we work
[00:59:07] with them to save and really give them
[00:59:10] the financial education to essentially
[00:59:12] launch them into, you know, sustainable
[00:59:16] home ownership. So, we've had many of of
[00:59:19] our families that have start to increase
[00:59:21] their earnings. we work with them and
[00:59:24] then we've placed them into home
[00:59:25] ownership or just self-sufficiency
[00:59:28] in terms of market rate apartment homes.
[00:59:30] So that's really where the the the
[00:59:33] services come in handy and we have we
[00:59:36] focus on that econom because that's our
[00:59:37] goal, right? Is we we call ourselves a a
[00:59:40] launching pad not a landing pad
[00:59:44] and over time obviously your operating
[00:59:46] costs increase. And so since this is
[00:59:50] restricted rentals, how do you deal with
[00:59:53] that so that you don't hit the uh your
[00:59:57] rentals are stable but your operating
[00:59:59] costs are rising? How do you deal with
[01:00:01] that? Yeah, we we do have the ability to
[01:00:04] increase rents on an annual basis. We
[01:00:06] don't necessarily do that annually,
[01:00:09] right? But they're also limited. we're
[01:00:11] still regulated on how much we can
[01:00:13] increase rents and ensure that our
[01:00:15] residents it's still affordable to them
[01:00:17] in terms of their income match. So
[01:00:19] that's how we ensure the financial
[01:00:21] sustainability of of the property. And
[01:00:25] so I guess you've been doing this for a
[01:00:27] long time over many years. Obviously if
[01:00:29] you look at HOAs and so on, anybody's
[01:00:31] been involved in one, it starts out uh
[01:00:34] like a uh like a mouse and ends up as an
[01:00:38] elephant. the operating cost so that you
[01:00:40] are able to cover your cost, you don't
[01:00:42] go bankrupt. And that's why we have
[01:00:44] reserves. So, we're also required to
[01:00:46] have reserves. And for for each unit, we
[01:00:49] have a $500 uh dollar annually that's
[01:00:52] put into a reserve as well as a three
[01:00:54] months operating reserve that continues
[01:00:57] to increase over the life of the
[01:00:58] project. So, that's that's to ensure
[01:01:01] that these are sustainably sustainable
[01:01:04] financially over the life of the
[01:01:06] project.
[01:01:08] Um the other's not a question but you
[01:01:11] did answer it when you were talking
[01:01:13] about um the services that are offered
[01:01:16] through this nonprofit. Uh uh and that
[01:01:20] was one of my question that's very
[01:01:22] important that whether it's you know
[01:01:24] computer training basic banking uh
[01:01:27] English speaking uh social uh in
[01:01:31] connecting them with social services and
[01:01:34] so on. And so you did answer you have a
[01:01:36] there's a nonprofit entity that does
[01:01:38] that. Yes, that's our sister nonprofit,
[01:01:40] Hope Through Housing Foundation. So we
[01:01:43] sit under the same umbrella. We're in
[01:01:44] we're the same um in the same building
[01:01:47] and organization, but they're onsite.
[01:01:48] They provide those services within the
[01:01:50] community room on site. And are they
[01:01:53] doing this for other places that you
[01:01:54] have? Every single one of our properties
[01:01:57] and we have 11,000 units in our
[01:01:59] portfolio. Are they funded enough to m
[01:02:01] to continue doing it? Correct. Yes. It's
[01:02:04] a part of our operating budget. So, it's
[01:02:06] built in and then we it's built into the
[01:02:09] operating budget a per unit cost for
[01:02:11] services. Okay. We in addition to that,
[01:02:14] we also do fundraising to enhance
[01:02:16] certain properties as well. Okay. All
[01:02:20] right. Well, good. That that's a
[01:02:21] wonderful thing to have. Um, do you ever
[01:02:24] require residents to donate time to
[01:02:27] maintain the the project?
[01:02:32] Yeah, we don't require that. Okay. Okay.
[01:02:35] Yeah, but there are volunteer
[01:02:36] opportunities.
[01:02:44] Um, again, this is one if it strays into
[01:02:47] proprietary.
[01:02:48] You said it's a $400 and some thousands
[01:02:50] a unit to develop. How much of it is
[01:02:53] subsidized versus how much of it is
[01:02:55] equity of the developer? And and again,
[01:02:57] if that's proprietary, you don't have to
[01:02:59] answer. No, it's not propriet, you know,
[01:03:01] just a general percentage, right? So,
[01:03:03] for this particular project, as Taylor
[01:03:05] had mentioned, it's about 450,000 per
[01:03:08] unit. And actually, the land cost is is
[01:03:11] essentially being donated um by the
[01:03:13] city, which is a a a big subsidy. Um,
[01:03:17] but you're you've have about for you
[01:03:20] know you have about 200 to 250,000
[01:03:23] that's additional subsidy in addition to
[01:03:25] your tax credit equity and your
[01:03:27] permanent debt your loan your permanent
[01:03:30] loan on the property. I'm sorry. So
[01:03:32] you're saying of the 450 250 is
[01:03:34] subsidized and 200 is developer equity
[01:03:37] so to speak private
[01:03:40] correct. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Uh
[01:03:44] those are my questions. Thank you for
[01:03:46] bearing with me. That was great
[01:03:47] questions. Thank you.
[01:03:50] Thank you. Thank you all. Those are
[01:03:53] great questions. In fact, you answered a
[01:03:55] number of the questions I had and when I
[01:03:57] met with the staff, I was particularly
[01:03:59] focused on uh the resources and you did
[01:04:03] cover a lot of that things like um you
[01:04:05] know, parking for example. I am still a
[01:04:07] little concerned personally that there
[01:04:09] may not be adequate parking. That's
[01:04:11] always a challenge. I know. But maybe
[01:04:13] you could take a look at that and see if
[01:04:14] there's any way to squeeze in a few more
[01:04:16] spots. Um, and also I was looking at
[01:04:19] schools and grocery shopping and
[01:04:22] transportation too. And I think that the
[01:04:24] staff answered all my questions on those
[01:04:26] issues when we met earlier this week.
[01:04:29] Um, the the project seems very well
[01:04:32] designed. I particularly think that the
[01:04:34] um the solar protection and the sun
[01:04:37] orientation is good. That's important,
[01:04:39] especially if we just have uh one air
[01:04:42] conditioner unit in those in those
[01:04:44] units. But um I'm sure you'll work that
[01:04:47] out as well. And the only other thing
[01:04:50] I'd like to mention is someone mentioned
[01:04:52] benefits and value. And I think there is
[01:04:55] a great benefit and value to our
[01:04:57] community, especially Rancho Mirage.
[01:04:59] We're right in the middle of the valley.
[01:05:01] And since the pandemic, there's been a
[01:05:03] lot of challenges um trying to get
[01:05:06] employees and businesses are constantly
[01:05:09] competing with other cities for
[01:05:11] employees. So having affordable housing
[01:05:14] here, especially because we have so much
[01:05:16] hospitality industry that's lower paid.
[01:05:19] I think it's very important to be able
[01:05:20] to support people who work in that
[01:05:23] industry and that thus supports our
[01:05:26] businesses right here in Rancho Mirage.
[01:05:29] Okay. So any commissioners, do you have
[01:05:31] any other questions?
[01:05:34] Okay, hearing none. Uh do we have a
[01:05:37] motion?
[01:05:43] I'd like to make the motion that the
[01:05:45] planning commission adopt resolution
[01:05:47] number 2025-PC-Next
[01:05:51] in order recommending that the city
[01:05:53] council take the following actions. One,
[01:05:56] adopt resolution number 2025-
[01:06:00] Next in order adopting and approving the
[01:06:02] mitigation monitoring and reporting
[01:06:04] program and mitigated negative
[01:06:07] declaration
[01:06:08] SCH number 2025
[01:06:12] 050959
[01:06:14] for the proposed project based on
[01:06:16] environmental assessment case number
[01:06:20] EA25-00002
[01:06:24] and Two, adopt resolution number 2025
[01:06:29] next in order approving preliminary
[01:06:31] development plan case number PDP
[01:06:34] 25-00002
[01:06:37] regarding the proposed Rancho Mirage
[01:06:39] affordable apartments.
[01:06:41] Thank you. Do we have a second? Second.
[01:06:44] Thank you. And we'll vote at this time.
[01:06:59] Motion carries 40.
[01:07:02] Great. Thank you and thank you all for
[01:07:04] coming today. It was very helpful. Give
[01:07:06] us all the information we needed.
[01:07:09] All right. Um now we have the uh
[01:07:11] non-aggenda public comment section and
[01:07:14] uh this is a time where public can speak
[01:07:17] on any items not already on the agenda.
[01:07:20] And there is a three minute time limit.
[01:07:22] Do we have anyone here for that purpose?
[01:07:24] Yes, Brad Anderson.
[01:07:32] Good afternoon again. Brad Anderson. I
[01:07:34] currently live in the city of Ranch
[01:07:36] Mirage. I just wanted to take this
[01:07:38] opportunity to uh get on my soap box and
[01:07:41] just complain a little bit more. Uh I'm
[01:07:44] really concerned uh this the city
[01:07:46] council meeting and now the planning
[01:07:48] commission meeting has realigned the
[01:07:50] agenda which you're aware of and pushed
[01:07:53] non-aggenda public comments from the
[01:07:55] beginning towards the beginning of the
[01:07:57] meeting towards the end of the meeting.
[01:07:59] Um and there was no public discussion
[01:08:03] concerning that movement of uh of this
[01:08:07] uh city policy. I guess uh a lot of the
[01:08:10] subcommittees have remained having
[01:08:12] public comments at the beginning which
[01:08:14] they may change later uh hopefully not
[01:08:18] um I'm concerned because this is seems
[01:08:21] like uh a deliberate action from city
[01:08:25] administrators to disenfranchise the
[01:08:28] public. That's my belief from attending
[01:08:31] these meetings and possibly speaking at
[01:08:33] them too. Uh I would hope that you would
[01:08:36] advocate for possibly having maybe two
[01:08:40] public comments, one at the beginning
[01:08:41] and one at the end. They're all
[01:08:44] government uh
[01:08:46] agencies that do that in California. I
[01:08:48] think the water district or water boards
[01:08:50] do and that would provide the public uh
[01:08:54] uh the opportunity to participate at the
[01:08:56] beginning and the end. Not everybody can
[01:08:57] sit through a meeting uh public meeting
[01:09:00] of this type especially at the day time
[01:09:02] or the hour that you have it in the
[01:09:04] afternoon. So I would advocate for that
[01:09:07] and hopefully you will too. Um and uh I
[01:09:11] think oh uh I just want to comment too
[01:09:15] about the commissioner comments. Um
[01:09:17] usually usually if the public or
[01:09:21] non-aggenda public comments at the end
[01:09:22] of the meeting or towards the end of the
[01:09:24] meeting or towards the end of the agenda
[01:09:26] of the meeting uh the the commissioner
[01:09:29] comments or council comments or uh
[01:09:32] director's comments should be at the end
[01:09:34] too. So maybe that's something that can
[01:09:36] be considered for future movement. Thank
[01:09:38] you. Thank you.
[01:09:41] Is there anyone else who would like to
[01:09:42] speak on something that is not on the
[01:09:44] agenda?
[01:09:45] That was the only speaker. All right, it
[01:09:48] is now 3:10 and I will adjourn the
[01:09:50] meeting.